I just got these Outdoor Voices pants yesterday, and I LOVE them! So unique, fun and clean lines, and the fabric is so awesome. I have very large calves. Seriously. They are crazy. I lost 30 pounds this summer and my calf measurement didn't change one single bit!! Anyway, these pants are so fun with the miss matched greys and all, and I like having some new, non Lulu in the mix. Have you guys tried Outdoor Voices? I wear a 10 in Lululemon, and I got a size large in OV. They run on the smaller side.